Humanist Association of Orange County - Newsletter for August 2005  
Issue #93 ( HTML format ) 
Editor: Benito Franqui
Associate Editor: Dave Silva

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HAOC Board
President: Pete Anderson
Vice President: Dave Silva
Treasurer:.Harry Becker
Secretary: Jerry Parks
Member at large: Carl Mariz
Member at large: Benito Franqui

NEXT HAOC MEETING  Sunday, August 21, 1:30 P.M.
Benito Franqui will be talking briefly about  Dr. Roland Bender’s presentation ( see below ). Otherwise,  it will be an open discussion meeting.  

THE UNION OF CHURCH AND STATE AFTER HITLER

When:  Sunday August 14  at  11:00 AM
Where: Unitarian Church of Orange County
             511 S. Harbor Blvd, Anaheim 

Roland Bender, a research scientist at U.C. Irvine,  will discuss church privileges, religious persecution and the battle for church-State separation in his native Germany. 

Roland is a former HAOC member and made a presentation about Ernst Haeckel at our April 2000 meeting.  

QUOTES FROM THE “AMERICAN TALIBAN”  ( abridged )
by George Erickson
( from the August 2005 issue of the Humanist Association of Las Vegas and Southern Nevada newsletter )  

Do these People support the American values of Freedom and Democracy? You be the Judge. 

Randall Terry (Operation Rescue) —
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."
"I don't think Christians should use birth control.You consummate your marriage as often as you like – and if you have babies, you have babies.""When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."*

"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."

[*It is interesting to note that Randall Terry's son is Gay]  

Robert Simonds (Citizens for Excellence in Education) —
"As the church watches from the sidelines, the ungodly elect atheists and homosexuals to school boards and legislatures to enact policies and laws that destroy our Christian children and discriminate against Christian families."
"Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected...Government and true Christianity are inseparable."
"We'll take away their power and their money. Money comes from students. We'll break their backs by taking 24 million kids out of the public schools." 

Ann Coulter (Television Commentator) —
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"

Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics) —
"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship."
"This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians." 

Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action) —
"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil." 

George Bush, Sr. (President of the United States) —
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." 

George W. Bush (President of the United States) —
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

 William Rehnquist (Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court) —
"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned." 

Robert T. Lee (Society for the Practical Establishment of the Ten Commandments)
"Raising your children under Americanism or any other principles other than true Christianity is child abuse."
"You do not have the right to be wrong, regardless of what any man-made or demonic charter says."
"Democracy originated in the mind of a rational being who has the deepest hatred for God."
"Do you realize that the only thing that gives democracy existence is sin? The absence of democracy is perfect obedience to god."
"The best way to insure the earth is never over populated is for sensible and righteous governments to clear all forms of atheism and heresy."

Ronald Reagan (President of the United States) —
"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ." 

David Trosch (Roman Catholic priest) —
"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. – Unless there is life there can be no murder." 

Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) —
“If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it."
"Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!"
"You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!"
"American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!"
"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death." 

J. B. Stoner (White Supremacist) —
"We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS."
"AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out." 

Jerry Falwell (Baptist minister) —
"We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself."
"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's charioteers."
"The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being." 

Jesse Helms (Republican Senator from NC) —
"The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."
"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."
"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."
"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches." 

Jimmy Swaggart (Jimmy Swaggart Ministries)
"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
"Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest."
"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory."

 ON THE LIGHT SIDE

I almost got banned from a liberal message board  for posting the following message:

( Those interested in following the whole  affair can click on  this link )

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Mujibar was trying to get into Amelica legally through Immigration.
 
The Immigration Officer said, "Mujibar, you have passed all the tests, except there is one more test. Unless you pass it you cannot enter Amelica."

Mujibar said, "I am ready."

The officer said, "Make a sentence using the words Yellow, Pink and Green.

Mujibar thought for a few minutes and said, "Mister Officer, I am ready."

The Officer said, "Go ahead."

Mujibar said, "The telephone goes green, green, green and I pink it up, and say, 'Yellow, this is Mujibar.'"

Mujibar now lives in a neighborhood near you and works at AOL on the Help Desk.

Marketing

Two beggars are sitting side by side on a street in Rome. One has a  cross in front of him. The other one the Star of David. Many people go by and look at both  beggars, but only put  money into the hat of the beggar sitting behind the cross.

A priest comes by, stops and watches  throngs of people giving money to the beggar behind the cross, but  none give to the beggar behind the Star of David. Finally, the priest goes over to the beggar behind the Star of David and says: "My poor  fellow, don't you understand?  This is a Catholic country. People aren't going to give you money if you sit there with a 'Star of David' in front of you,  especially when you're sitting beside a beggar who has a cross. In fact, they would probably give to him just out of spite." 

The beggar behind the 'Star of David' listened to the priest, turned to  the other beggar with the cross and said: "Moishe, look who's trying to teach the Goldstein brothers about marketing."